Friday, 15 March 2013

family history and poor relief 1800's style




One of the main reasons I wanted to go to Leicester for a short break was to fit in a trip to the Leicester records office. Originally I had found an ancestor of mine working as a kitchen assistant in an old rectory in Muston, a beautiful old Georgian house which has been converted into a B&B and we did hope to stay there. Just my luck, no vacancies.We did find this lovely old hotel though in the historic village of Rothley. It had been converted to a B&B in the 1960's but has a historic past dating back centuries.William Wilberforce  and Thomas Babington are believed to have drafted the Abolition of Slavery act here over 200 years ago. If you go to www.Leicestershirevillages.com/rothley/rothleyandtheabolitionoftheslave.html (sorry I cant seem to do the link, but its a really good website) you will be able to find out all about it.This photo below is our bedroom. The panelling gave the smallish room a dark eerie feel, I half expected ghosts clanking about in the middle of the night.

There was a beautiful old chapel attached to the side of the hotel, these are some of the interior photos.



They actually still perform weddings in this chapel

We got to the records office on a very snowy, cold day, best place to be really, lovely and toasty inside.I requested the copy of the Poor relief records which I knew they had. Amazingly they let us have the original book dating from 1783. The leather cover was unsurprisingly a bit battered but inside was the most beautiful  writing.
It hasn't come out very clear in my photo but it was so clear to read. I actually got more information than I had thought I would. There is a large entry about how my 3x grandfather had been apprehended in Nottingham and detailing how the constable had to hire a horse and obtain a warrant for his arrest. Both my 3x grandfather Alfred and his wife Mary were dependant on poor relief from their parish throughout the period 1816 to at least 1824 (the end date in the book, no other books survive sadly for me). Luckily for them there was such a thing but it must still have been barely enough to get by on or else I reckon he wouldn't have gone on to commit the offence for which he was transported to Australia. We were shocked at some of the entries in the book not just for my relatives but for other poor in the parish. Life must have been a real struggle for most people.
I felt humbled that we had been allowed to touch and read such an important book detailing a part of social history from over 200 years ago and most importantly for me the knowledge that my ancestors would have more than likely seen the same book all those years ago. What would they have thought if they had known their 3x granddaughter would have been able to see it 200 years into the future? Despite the fact that times were hard, Mary and her son Thomas survived after Alfred's transportation and of course the rest is history.The family history experts always reckon that you are lucky if you can find either a famous person or a criminal in your family because they usually leave a trail behind them. Alfred certainly has. I will probably never find out any more about Mary because she had a common surname and formal records weren't kept at that time. She was born in Shoreditch, if census details are to be believed. Why she came to Leicester from there I have no idea, nor how she got there. I can only speculate.
Have any of you out there got any famous or infamous ancestors? If you have I would love to hear about them.

P.S. Last but not least a big hello to my new followers! I hope you will enjoy reading my blog and I fully intend to pop along to visit you soon!

14 comments:

  1. Dear Anne
    What an interesting trip you had. Family history is so fascinating - it can become a bit of an obsession, can't it? My mum's family were an interesting lot - came over with William the Conqueror, one was involved in the murder of Thomas Becket, one sided with King John and was rewarded with lots of land, a couple were treasonous, several went into the church and one, Bishop Westcott, was the Bishop of Durham and mediated between the government and the miners during the strikes in the 1900s. He also wrote a translation of John's Gospel which is well thought of still. Unfortunately, I know very little about my Dad's family except they came from Muston(!) and were farmers or farm workers. Some were from Scottish families too.
    I haven't done any of the research for this - all I have researched was the history of the house we live in and discovered the names of the first occupants of all these houses (built around 1860-1870)Our house was occupied by a blacksmith and his wife and family of 7! (Two of us and three cats don't fit in here now!)
    Enjoy your family discoveries.
    Best wishes
    Ellie

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  2. It's all fascinating stuff Anne, must be even more so for you because it's YOUR family.

    Karen x

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  3. No infamous ancestors,but I do have a famous 3rd cousin.
    Jane x

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  4. How wonderful that you were able to handle and read from such an old book.And, a real bonus to find family history. The oldest I have searched on my house is 130 years ago. Their handwriting was beautiful too. Nothing like mine. I have traced my Scottish ancestors back to the 1745. My (several great) great grandfather was sent to America by the British as an endentured servant. He was a Jacobite prisoner.

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  5. I don't have any famous ancestors that I know of and I haven't come across any criminals, but my heart has sure warmed to these people I have found. I love doing family history research and feel a closeness to these ancestors. What a blessing to handle that book! I'm glad you had such a good experience Anne.

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  6. I have quite a bit on my family history but they were all mainly farmers and steel workers - pretty boring really.

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  7. It must have been amazing to sit there with that book! I have a two time Great grand father who stole horses. He was going to be sent to Australia but died before it happened. My paternal ancestors were very poor and often died young. Jx

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  8. It is amazing to handle the old documents isn't it? We handled some that were signed by J's ancestors - that was quite an experience - to trace their signature with our fingers made the connection even more acute. We haven't found anyone infamous, but I am distantly related to a famous singer who is still alive - he attended my great-uncle's funeral.

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  9. My auntie lives a stones throw away from where you stayed, small world. How amazing to have been given the original book to look at, it must have made your research extra special. I don't have anyone famous or infamous in my faminly history, as far as I know.

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  10. I really must get down to some record offices- could really do with going to London I think if I'm right, they have my (or a copy) of my greatx2 grandfathers passport and he traveled all over.

    We supposedly have a link to John 'Mad Jack' Mytton, but we are still trying to iron out the link, funnily about 3/4 other people I have found or seen mention the same family online have all said the same story- we are linked to John Mytton.

    A lot of other avenues with my family have been frustrating. Still don't know why my great grandfather disappeared from the family for 20yrs - granddad never spoke of him and with surname Smith...well...

    Also Irish links we can't fully establish and then the German side is hard to go back in Germany when you don't speak German- although a German relative has been helpful.

    Finally another big mystery is the 'wedding' of my great uncle - family rumors were that he never really married (although we have a photo there's no records of marriage) and he is also blamed for taking the family fortune which was not left to the family, but to his 'wife' who then left lots to people all over the world and I think 3 members of family had a small amount and the rest to charity... I'm gonna get back to researching- I must find an answer!!!

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  11. What a shame you couldn't stay where one of your relatives had worked! I know some of my family have had poor relief too, when I have time I need to look into this further.How desperate and awful it must have been to have nothing. Thank you for leaving me a comment on my blog too! Sarah x

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